What is leaky gut, and how does it impact your wellbeing? Listen to today's episode to understand the science, symptoms, and strategies to improve gut health.

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Show Notes:

Introduction

• Discussion on gut health and lifestyle choices.

• Guest: Dr. Schuler, an expert on applied kinesiology and gut health.

When to Seek Professional Help

• Many people seek help when they've exhausted other options.

• The sooner you address your symptoms, the better to avoid other health complications.

Lifestyle and Diet Adjustments

• Before seeing a doctor, try adjusting lifestyle factors such as diet, exercise, sleep, and stress.

• An elimination diet can help pinpoint food sensitivities.

Proactive vs. Reactive Healthcare

• Importance of proactive healthcare, incorporating alternative therapies and lifestyle choices.

• Health events often trigger the realization that changes need to be made.

Supplements

• Discussion about the efficacy of probiotics and prebiotics.

• No "one-size-fits-all" supplement—tailoring treatment is important.

Common Supplements & Herbs

• Melia, Morinda (Noni), astragalus, Chinese Skullcap, vitamin A, and vitamin D are often used.

Fermented Foods

• Fermented foods like sauerkraut and kefir can be good but listen to your body.

• If you feel worse after consuming these, it's likely not a "die-off" but possibly exacerbating a gut issue.

Conclusion

• Dr. Schuler thanks the host and listeners and offers further resources through his website.

Key Takeaways:

Early Intervention: It's crucial to seek professional help early to prevent long-term health complications. Waiting until you've exhausted all other options often makes the journey to recovery longer and harder.

1. Personalized Treatment: Supplements and treatments should be individualized, not generalized. What works for one person may not work for another.

2. Lifestyle Matters: Changes in diet, sleep, exercise, and stress levels can have a significant impact on health and should be the first line of defense before resorting to medical treatments.

3. Proactive vs. Reactive: A proactive approach to healthcare, including alternative treatments and lifestyle changes, is far more effective than a reactive approach.

4. Listen to Your Body: If consuming supplements or fermented foods make you feel worse, it's not "die-off." It may exacerbate the issue, and you should consult a healthcare provider.

5. Value of Fermented Foods: While probiotics are still debated, naturally fermented foods like sauerkraut and kefir can offer digestive benefits if well-tolerated.

6. Information Accessibility: The podcast aims to provide valuable information about gut health to encourage listeners to be proactive about their well-being.

Transcript:

Hello everyone and welcome back to Better Than A Pill. Today I am so excited to have Dr. Bill

Schuler with us, and Dr. Schuler is a natural Medicine Doctor at Systems Healthcare, which is

located in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. So welcome Bill, and thank you so much for being here

today.

Great to be here. So today we are gonna talk about leaky gut and gut health. And Dr. Schuler

has actually helped me quite a bit personally, to initiate this journey of healing my own gut. So

let's dive right into this, and I thought we'd just kind of start off by having you tell everybody

exactly what a leaky gut means.

Yeah, I think the simplest definition of leaky gut, just means things are getting through the gut

membrane that shouldn't be. So our gut lining is basically a selectively permeable, permeable,

uh, membrane. It lets certain things in it, keeps certain things out, and then. If we have some

sort of inflammation, something wrong with our gut, what can happen is that gut lining can,

basically either, uh, things can be allowed to get through that shouldn't be allowed to get

through.

You know, certain things need to be. Allowed back into the body to be absorbed certain minerals

and water. But larger things like proteins and, and food particles should not. So what happens

with leaky gut, things are getting through back into the body, to be absorbed that shouldn't be.

And that's basically like a pretty simple definition of leaky gut.

I see. And so what would be some symptoms or how does somebody know that they have this

going on? Yeah, so leaky gut is usually associated with a bunch of. Different issues. Uh, usually

if you have a leaky gut, you don't just have a leaky gut. You might have, and we like to kind of,

people like to talk about, you can have a lot of different symptoms. You can have constipation,

you can have diarrhea, you know, other changes in your stool. You can have bloating, things like

that. So,you know, the main thing is. We always like to talk about, it's really popular right now

talking about our gut health in terms of bacteria, healthy bacteria, bad bacteria, you know,

certain fungus in the gut that should or should not be there.

When those things kind of get out of hand, then, then you start to get symptoms with your gut.

So that can then lead to, a leaky gut. And, so that's, that's kind of. What we think about, it's

usually not just like one thing, but a bunch of different issues that culminate into leading into,

into leaky gut.

And would that be something like Ibs or irritable bowel syndrome, would that fit into a category

of leaky gut? Yeah. So let's say, so just kind like I was saying, like I BS syndrome is, is. Catch

for a bunch of different symptoms that don't really have a full on diagnosis other than, hey, you

have, you know, you, you have discomfort in your abdominal area.

You have discomfort in your gut. You might have a bunch of different issues. You know, we see

a lot of bloating after eating. So typically when that happens, we already know that something's

going on with your gut. You shouldn't have a lot of bloating after eating. Maybe you're eating

something that you have an allergy to.

Or, or maybe you are, you have dysbiosis in your gut with your gut bacteria, so that then will

lead to leaky gut. You know, I. I don't wanna say everyone has it but if you have any sort of

issues with your gut, most likely you, you know, no one's gut is perfect. So, typically things are

kind of getting past that, that wall or that membrane that, that shouldn't be.

So, yeah, I b s definitely fits into it and you can even put leaky gut into a symptom of i b s, sort

of that catchphrase of a bunch of different symptoms. I see. So you can have things like, and I

know, experience some of these things, uh, as well, like, you know, the, the uh, not normal

stools or like you mentioned, constipation, diarrhea, and also the bloating.

And then what are, you know, some additional symptoms that some other people may

experience if they, if, you know, this has become an issue more than just a, you know, a

mouthed version like you were describing. So you're saying like if you have leaky gut, like what

other, or sorry, if you have like i b s are you saying like what other symptoms besides the, the

basic things can it lead to?

Yeah. So yeah, if somebody has something going on with their gut and you, I understand that I

can kind of fall into that category. I'm so sorry. This, this, uh, uh, do you hear that? It's our voice,

our voicemail. Lemme turn this off.

Hopefully the telephone will not go off again. I just turned it off. Uh, yeah, no, no worries and no

worries. Yeah, so we'll just pick it up and kind of, we'll just go. So, yeah, so understanding that I

bs, it kind of fits into one of them, I. You know, uh, things that could be going on if you do have

leaky gut, and that could include things like bloating or irregular stools.

I'm just curious as to, if somebody does have a leaky gut, what else might they be feeling or

experiencing that would lead them to seek help? Yeah you know, leaky gut is, and other, other

things that could be kind of other symptoms. A lot of times people will be feeling, you know,

fatigue or, or anxiety or depression.

Most of our neurotransmitters, especially serotonin and dopamine, are made in our gut. So if

anyone's having any sort of anxiety or, or depression or mental symptoms like that, that could

also be something going on with your gut. We can get skin conditions like eczema or rashes that

might not be going away with the antifungal cream that maybe your doctor prescribes because

that's what they think it is.You know, it can lead to autoimmune conditions.

Food particles like gluten and, and casein getting into the bloodstream. It's something called

molecular mimicry can cause your body to create antibodies against, uh, your thyroid or, or you

know, other parts of your body leading to an autoimmune condition. So people, you know, we

see a lot of patients that have exhausted a lot of their options and cannot figure out what is

going on and, and it might not just be their gut, but a lot of times the gut is the culprit, even if

they don't realize that that is the issue.

Right. And that totally resonates with me because in even working with you, I didn't really know

that I had anything going on with my gut. Yeah. And, and, and my diagnosis, uh, is the

autoimmune disorder and kind of what you described with the gluten was my issue and that was

attacking the, the, the lining of the gut, it sounds like.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, with, with yours, with, so gluten is the, the, you know, the, the final

protein broken down from from wheats and for whatever reason, it tends to look very similar to

our thyroid. So when that is able to escape our gut, which it should never be allowed to, it's too

big of a particle it gets into our bloodstream, our body sees it as a foreign invader and creates

antibodies against it. And then once that's, you know, taken care of, those antibodies are still

present.

And for whatever reason, like I said before, your thyroid is, it looks very similar to that antibody.

So then it then attacks it, and then it sees that there's this thyroid here that is for whatever

reason now thought of as a foreign invader. And then those antibodies keep being produced.

So, and then as you keep feeding your body more gluten, the cycle continues.

So, you know, our goal is to figure out what is driving that autoimmune condition. It doesn't

always have to be gluten. It could be a different food allergy, it could be some sort of infection, a

virus, uh, Many, many different things can kind of cause this, but our goal is to find what's

causing it and then calm down that immune response.

So yeah, there, there's, there's a lot of different everyone's individualized, you know, it, it,

everyone can have the same, people can have the very same issues, but very different reasons

for why they're experiencing it. Right. And it's kind of almost in your role to be a detective

through your testing and everything to get to the bottom of exactly what is going on with each

individual.

That may be experiencing things, uh, with the leaky gut. And, like in my case, it was an

autoimmune disease, but it could be many other things as you're describing. And even within

the realm of an autoimmune disease there could be many different triggers going on, right, right.

Yes. Right. And so, you know, with autoimmune conditions we, you know, everyone talks about

inflammation, but, you know, inflammation is very important to make sure that that is being

controlled. Uh, one of the main things people, you know, don't realize is, One Auto, you're the

mo People who are most susceptible to autoimmune conditions are people who already have an

autoimmune condition.

So sort of like having an autoimmune condition, you're now susceptible to having further

autoimmune issues so it might start with Hashimoto's, it might move then actually to having a

gut autoimmune condition like with Crohn's or something like that. So, So we wanna, we wanna

make sure that immune system it takes a little bit of time, but we wanna make that sure, that

immune system, even, even though there is, uh, you know, something going on, we wanna

make sure it's contained and controlled and, uh, calmed down.

Okay. Yeah, that totally makes sense. And it sounds like there's, there's so much going on there

in, in terms of, you know, we're talking about gut health with the immune system. Mm-hmm.

Everything's kind of pointing in that direction and so, yeah. 'cause I hear a lot, you know, from

the women I'm working with and even some that may be listening today, that they have I B s,

right?

Yeah. And so this is really good information because it's more than just I B S is just a symptom

and really, you know, there's more going on there. So I would say so I'm just curious, what are

some practical things that someone could start doing right now if, you know, they're having

issues with their, with their gut?

It could be a leaky gut, their gut health, but they don't necessarily want to go, they don't feel like

they need to go see a professional just yet. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, with everything that we do,

a patient's lifestyle is going to be, The most important thing I like to say that, we kind of like to

give you a kickstart.

We kind of give you the information you need and, and but there are also times where as much

as you can do, maybe it might not quite be enough, the body should always be able to heal

itself. But if it's been under an. Too much stress for too long and, and maybe you don't realize

you have that food allergy and you're continuing to eat it, then maybe you do need someone to,

to help you out, get you on the right path and, and help your immune system out.

But, you know, it's always great when patients come in and they're doing everything at home

that they should be, you know, the, the. The easiest thing that everyone knows, but it's the

hardest thing to do is diet, right? So getting your diet under control you know, eating simple

foods, eating proper foods.

You know, the thought used to be when gut health was really coming along was probiotics,

right? Getting, getting the gut bacteria getting more fermented foods, things like. Good. But I

think the research is now more leaning towards you know, vegetables are probably the most

important thing for your gut.

You know, lots of different types of vegetables, cooked vegetables, things to help heal that lining

of the gut, but also not really feed the, maybe the bad bacteria that's in the gut. So, lifestyle and

then, and then movements. I know you are, someone who advocates that a lot. So move

properly, getting the body, you know, moving throughout the day, not laying around, sitting down

and things like that.

So it sounds really easy and dumb, but, you know, lifestyle and, and exercise or, or, and with, or

I'm sorry, diet and exercise with being the two main things for lifestyle. Yeah, but there's power

in that for sure. I mean, just, you know, just breaking down so much they're involved with the

diet and then, you know, when it, you know, just breaking down the things that, you know,

somebody's looking at their diet and they think that they may be doing things.

In a healthy manner, you may find out that that might not be the case. Mm-hmm. And you know,

I would say, like you're saying, like the vegetables, that's great. And you're saying cooked

vegetables, which, which I'd like you to kind of expand upon. Cooked vegetables are easier to

digest, correct. Is that right?

Yeah, that's, you know, everyone, there's, even in the. Our community with, uh, kinesiology, you

know, there's different viewpoints. I take the viewpoint of you know, if your gut is not absorbing

food well, it is not handling digestion. Well, cooked vegetables are gonna be a lot easier on your

system than maybe a raw diet.

Not to say you shouldn't be having, you know, salads and things like that, but a cooked carrot is

gonna be digested a lot easier. Maybe a raw carrot and it also gives your digestive system a

break from having to work so hard to break down those raw vegetables so yeah, they don't, you

don't have to exclusively cook vegetables, but I like to, you know, I, I think that's a small little

piece of advice that can help people with their digestion.

Sure. And just curious too, like, would you say in your opinion that it would be, you know, good

to get in things like proteins, like in terms of, uh, wild fish or grass fed beef, or organic, you

know, chicken eggs or, you know, whatever, if the person doesn't have an allergy, those kind of

things would be helpful as well.

Yeah, we are big advocates of, of animal meats. Not, not, not to say like you should be eating a

carnival carnivore diet, but and you know, there's, there's limitations on how much meat maybe

you should be eating, but there is so much. And I, you know, I think Dr. Gangemi who works in

my office as well, who, you know, and you've interviewed, he talked about, you know, what

grass fed animal meats can provide that maybe other you know, vegetables or, or, or fats cannot

provide.

So yeah, we're big advocates of getting proper fats in your diet from those. From those animal

meats. So yeah, no, it's, those are, those are really important. We, you know, I don't like to say

you should be on one diet, take a lot of trial and error to find out what works for you. But as long

as you start with something, that is generally that is generally good for you.

Like, you know, a lot of people start with paleo diets and then work their way into what works for

them. But yeah, typically people eating meat, that seems to be a lot better for people and people

get fast, better, much faster than people who do not eat meat. Right. And you, you see a lot of

people that are eating, let's say grains, and it may, it may be a specific type of grain, but those,

the category of grains, that, that seems to sometimes trigger issues in people.

Yeah. Whether, uh, whether it's gluten, whether it's wheat itself or just grains in general. People

might have way too many grains in their diet as a proportion of what they're eating compared to

protein and fats or vegetables, things like that. So, We will in the morning have just, just

carbohydrates for breakfast.

A lot of people will be snacking with fruits and fruits are sort of, uh, uh, controversial topics of

whether or not they're super healthy for you. I think they are healthy for you, but. They also,

even though it's fructose, it's, it's a better, maybe potentially type of sugar than uh, than from

carbohydrates.

It's still going to affect your blood sugar. So we like, you know, I always tell people if you're going

to eat carbohydrates or, or fruits, maybe pair it with a fat or protein. So, so yes. So a lot of times

people are eating too many carbs. It can be affecting their blood sugar levels, it could be

affecting their pancreas causing insulin issues.

So insulin can cause havoc all over the body, especially with the thyroid. So, yes, a lot of

people, many, some people are eating too many carbohydrates, but you still do need to eat

carbohydrates. I'm not someone who thinks you should be eating no carbohydrates, so, Yeah.

That's interesting. Yeah, and I think that, yeah, like you're saying, it definitely can be

individualized, but I definitely took from you and even just working with you personally that the

pairing of the fruit with something else.

And so now like part of my daily routine is when I have my Apple, I pair it with walnuts

immediately, you know? Good. Yeah. Yeah. Great. I can honestly share with everybody that it

works. I don't have the fatigue that I was having. I think that was probably related to the blood

sugar spikes that I was experiencing just from the fruit.

And then I think the other fruit that I know in working with you, you recommended a lot, was like

a berry. And so I incorporate a little bit of blueberries into a smoothie and things like that. So you

can still get the things that you need in and in an individualized way. Yeah. Yeah. They have

wonder, wonderful properties, and fruit.

They have, uh, so many great things about them, but sometimes the cons outweigh the pros. In

certain aspects. So, but yeah, low, low glycemic uh, fruits on the low, on the lower end of the

glycemic, uh, scale are, are definitely gonna be better for you. Excellent. And so, yeah, it sounds

like a lot of people can do a lot of good for their body just by addressing the diet.

And then you also mentioned stress and, and I know that the body can be stressed in many

ways. It can be physical stress going on and also can be emotional stress. And so I'm gonna

guess that if somebody were to target it, The next area that might be something that they could

get a grip on. Yeah.

And you know, easier said than done, right? Uh, stress is, everyone talks about getting your

stress under control, getting your emotional baggage, uh, you know, taken care of, uh, you

know, find your dream job. So it's really hard to get all of your stress under control. But yes,

stress is sort of the silent killer.

These days. And if we talk about our immune or our, our nervous system and, and, and relaxing

and healing, you know, we have to be in a certain state, a parasympathetic state, which we think

of rest and digest versus our sympathetic state, which we think of fight or flight. So stress can

be causing you to be in a, a, a prolonged state of, of fight or flight or, or sympathetic dominance

at which can exhaust you over time.

So, Stress is, is incredibly, incredibly important but worrying about stress is also stressful. So it's

sort of like you gotta just do,do as much as you can, figure out the things you can control and

maybe do one step at a time. I think people get a little bit overwhelmed with trying to fix

everything and be perfect.

So. So, yeah, and even worrying about your diet and, and making sure you have a great diet

and a lifestyle can be stressful. So, yeah, trying to find a balance is not easy. So, but stress can

very much contribute to health problems. Yeah. No, I love what you just shared about just taking

one step at a time rather than trying to be perfect at everything and being overwhelmed, which

would be my tendency, right?

Yeah but then being able to hear that voice that says, no, you don't have to do this all, all at

once, and, and taking those little steps I have found, have been, been, it's a lot easier. It makes

the journey a lot easier. So, yeah, thank you for sharing that. Yeah, building momentum is great

so that when we, you know, fall off the horse, it's, it's a lot, you know, we, it takes us maybe a

week to get back on versus like two years or something.

Like, maybe, you know, it, it would've done before. So, so yeah, small steps are, are really

important. So, Right. So, yeah, no, I'm just thinking aloud. I, I in a and a thought came to my

mind. I remember like, so I went gluten-free and then I, I took a, I think it may have been I don't

know, a supplement, and I was taking it, and then I read the label one night and I'm like, oh my

goodness, this has gluten in it.

I, yeah. Told you right away. Yeah, no, it's, you know, but it's everywhere. Yeah, no, it is. And

luckily now labels are, Pretty much required to put if it contains certain, common allergies like,

like gluten or wheat and, and uh, milk and eggs and things like that. So now it's a little easier to

read labels.

But yeah, no, I always encourage people to make sure you're looking at your labels, especially

with you or someone who has a food allergy that they need to stay away from. Absolutely. I

definitely am looking at mine now for sure. Yeah, it used to be you had to sift through every

single ingredient to make sure that it wasn't on there, but now they've made it, thankfully, a little

bit easier.

Excellent. So yeah, this has been great and I think you know, in terms of lifestyle, people can do

so much for people that are listening today, I know, myself included, but at what point does

somebody need to see a professional like yourself? I mean, you know, what would you say,

what's, when would you recommend somebody come seek professional help for, for the

symptoms they may be experiencing?

Yeah, that's a good question, like I mentioned before, usually we see people at the, the end of

their. Their journey in terms of they've, they've exhausted a lot of their other options and that's

fine. I would love to see people earlier so that they haven't been, you know, maybe on multiple

medications or, or multiple antibiotics or, uh, they haven't been dealing because the longer you

deal with these symptoms that are stressing out your body, this inflammation, The longer you're,

you're not addressing what's going on. The longer that's been going on for it, the more it kind of

can cause issues with your body leading to other issues. So I'd like to see, I would like to see

people earlier, but if you're asking maybe when people should start to realize, hey, maybe it's

time for me to see a doctor is, you know, I, I would love people to change, you know, once they

start working with their lifestyle, their diet and their exercise and their sleep and their stress, if

you're starting with those, I, I would, and, and nothing is working. And, and you know, you've

maybe tried a few antimicrobial herbs and, you know, maybe they didn't work or, so when you've

kind of gotten to a point where you're just stumped and everything you've tried with lifestyle and

diet, you, you're kind of, you're kind of at a point where you can't really do anything else

yourself, then I think it's a good time to see your doctor.

I always recommend people change their lifestyle. Try to try to do a good diet, maybe an

elimination diet to see if something is causing them issues you know, a lot of times even just

changing your diet slightly, you can eliminate a bunch of things that you might not realize are

causing issues. I don't think that you need to see, you know, A doctor for every single symptom

you might ever have.

Like, you know, you might have a stomach ache, you don't need to go to a doctor right away, but

if this is persisting for a period of time, even weeks,yeah, I think it, I think it might be time for you

to, to go check out and, you know, maybe see a doctor you know, maybe an applied

kinesiologist in your area would be, would be fantastic.

We, those are, they're easier to find now on some databases at the I C A K website. So,

Excellent. Yes. Because I know, you know, one of the points of this podcast is to get information

out there so people know that there are options and, and you know, I know myself that I have to

be proactive and I, I've learned that at a young age, and so it's just like, that's what led me to

you because, you know, sometimes we're not getting answers that we need from.

Maybe a general practitioner or maybe they just don't know either. And so knowing that, you

know, there is another avenue to explore that may be helpful. And if you start it earlier, You may

not have to hit that, you know, bottom place where you know, you know, you're so bad and, and

you can actually get, to the bottom of things quicker and, and not have to even experience some

of the, the major symptoms, I think is good to make note of.

Yeah. You know, we've gotten to a point where,you know, a lot of people, I talk about reactive

versus proactive. We're not quite at a pro proactive place yet we're, 'cause we would love to see

people before. The issues get so large that it takes, you know, you know, some time to fix

everything but a proactive response would be fantastic in incorporating this or seeing an

alternative practitioner to your, as part of your lifestyle in conjunction with diet and, and exercise.

And, you know, even with you, a lot of times it takes, or even with myself actually, it takes,

sometimes it takes a health event to. Make you realize that changes need to be made. It's not,

it's not really someone who's feeling fine and you know, or maybe they're not feeling fine and

maybe they're feeling okay, but they're not, they don't feel terrible or bad.

They're not really gonna seek out help because why would they unless you, maybe you're an

athlete or you're someone who really needs to strive to be at their optimal level, but most of us

are just kind of okay. But a lot of times it takes an event to make us realize, Hey, I need to, I

need to change something and I need to, because I don't wanna.

You know, an autoimmune condition arises. You don't want that to get outta control and the

longer you wait, the more, the more time it has to, to cause issues. So, Yeah. No, well said. And

yeah, because you know, it could be something, you know, like your, your energy is really low

and you're not able to do some things that you used to, to like, to do.

I know. I can relate to that. And then now you start stuffing coffee down your body at strange

hours in the afternoon to kind of keep functioning. And then you get into this vicious cycle.

So the fire keeps burning for as long as possible until eventually, you know, it's just kind of

embers and then you, you, you start developing some, some health issues. So, Excellent. Yeah.

Not excellent that you get the health issues, but yeah, just be to have that awareness. Yeah and

so, you know, I know we talked a little bit about supplements and I know that you said people

are, you know, that the thought is kind of going away from the prebiotics and probiotics.

So I'm just curious, do you do, is there anything that you think would be helpful to take, and, and

would you recommend even taking those. Items I just mentioned, if you're experiencing

problems with your gut.

Yeah, so that's a, that's a really good question. Dr. Gangemi is basically a third generation right

from the creator of applied kinesiology, Dr. George Goodheart. His protege was, Dr. Wally

Schmidtt who unfortunately passed away two years ago, and now when Dr. Gangemi, worked

as Dr. Wally Schmidtt’s protege. So, you know, I've learned a lot from them and this sort of, all

the knowledge that they've gathered at this time.

And it's, we don't use a lot of probiotics. It can be good after taking antibiotics, maybe a broad

spectrum antibiotic from your doctor to repopulate that growth. But a lot of times if we're taking a

probiotic and we have a, a dysbiosis, meaning that there's too much bad bacteria then there is

good bacteria, then we can just kind of be, uh, fueling the fire down there and, and increasing

some inflammation.

Not to say that fermented foods aren't good to eat 'cause, 'cause they definitely are but, things

to take it. It's, it's hard because I've, I've now gotten to, into this sense it's, you know, I see a lot

of patients who have tried, not only have they tried the medical route where they've seen so

many different doctors, but they've also come in with so many different supplements that they've

tried.

Because I've heard of, you know, I've heard of this supplement, I've heard of, you know, the big

ones are like, uh, like turmeric and, of course it's in, and all these anti-inflammatories, all these

antihistamines they're taking so many hoping that something will stick, and so I don't want

people to get into the habit of that.

It is hard to really pinpoint one or two that you should be taking because. I don't like to, we don't

like to think about it in the sense that this is something everyone should take. This is the

protocol that everyone should follow, it's more what do you need specifically, like, you might

need, someone might actually need curcumin or tr or tremor to help with their inflammation.

Somebody else might need, uh, a corset tin, uh, or a grape seed extract or something like that,

or, or a specific herb. So it's really hard for me to say that somebody, people should be, Just try

taking this and, and, and hopefully it will help because that kind of goes against our philosophy

of, of we are very specific in what we want people to take, but I do get that not everyone has

access to, you know, and no one, not everyone's in North Carolina, not everyone can have

access to maybe an applied kinesiologist.

So, now, I have enough. I have nothing against maybe taking a, you know, a curcumin or a

turmeric or resveratrol and, but only, but maybe try one at a time and see how you do. And if, if it

doesn't work, maybe try something else. But there are, there are some, let me see. There are a

couple anti microbials that we have that are pretty, that people can take.

One is, uh, Melia. One is Morinda. We have like astragalus, things like that. So, but again, I

don't like to tell people that they should, you know, like to put everyone in a box that they should

take certain things, so.

Sure. No, that's helpful. And there's value in that. Would you say those three names again

though? The one that you just mentioned?

Yeah, uh, those, I'm kind of trying to think of ones that are pretty popular. In our office ones that

we kind of find are Melia, Morinda, also called Nani. Another one is maybe Chinese Skullcap.

We use a decent amount. We have many herbs and they're all very specific to that strand of

maybe bacteria or virus or fungus that you might have.

So, astragalus. Those are typical ones that we use and also vitamin A and vitamin D, things like

that can also really help the immune system when you have a gut issue going on.

Great. Yeah. And then in addition, you had mentioned fermented foods, which is another food

that somebody can eat that's almost like a supplement in lieu of a prebiotic probiotic, right?

Yeah. So if you, if you start taking a probiotic and you feel bad, or if you start taking, you know, if

you start drinking like kafi or you know, doing a bunch of fermented food and you're not feeling

good, don't think that it's like a die off. We don't detox symptoms. If you start taking something

and you start feeling weird or kinda a little bit like anxious or, or your stomach hurts, definitely

don't, you can maybe give it another day or two to see if that goes away, but don't continue

taking it thinking like, oh, it's just die off. I'm, I'm detoxing, I'm feeling I'm gonna feel good then,

because what you're probably doing is just, is just feeding those that gut bacteria that's, that's a

problem.

I see. And actually, in terms of fermented foods, I know that sauerkraut is a good one. And you

mean it mentioned, how do you say it? Kefir? You know, I used to say, yeah, I always say things

wrong. Everyone does. Try to keep the pronunciation correct.

Yeah, sauerkraut. Those are all fine to take, you know, and you don't need to take like a, Two

cups, like a quarter of it. You can just do like a, a teaspoon or a tablespoon and, and do okay

with it. Sure. Yeah. No, I thought I was saying it wrong. I call it Kefir so it's the same thing.

It's definitely the same thing. Yeah. So we know it's okay. Excellent. Awesome. Well, thank you

so much for coming on today and, and sharing so much valuable information about the gut and

gut health and, and so much more. And for all of you listening today, if you wanna know more,

About Dr. Schuler’s work. I have included the link to his website in the description of this

episode. So thank you again, Dr. Schuler, for being here.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I love talking about everything I do and any questions

that people have and anything to do with their health. So I enjoy working with you and thank you

for having me.

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